Culture. any dog owners here?

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    great balls of tache


    http://blog.2modern.com/2010/03/dog-stache.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+2modernDesignTalk+(2Modern+Design+Talk)&utm_content=Google+Reader
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    Seen them before.

    Want one.

    Girlfriend will kill me ;-)

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    I thought this was going to be a rant about the Plan for compulsory dog insurance in England and Wales.
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    think compulsory dog insurance is a good idea

    dog asbos will be about as useful as the people ones, but making dog owners responsible for their pets actions seems like a no-brainer to me.

    if I'm walking down the street and I see a chihuahua with a dog ball tache and fall over pissing myself laughing I going to want to take the owner to court if there are any injuries.

    also think chemical profiling of the dog's shit should be taken and then any crap on the streets can be traced back to the owner who should be made to eat it.
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    Yes, I love that last idea!!

    I have been sticking to a new regime of walking 5 miles a day and I am so sick of dodging dog shit, especially along the canal near where I live.
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    Compulsory third-party insurance just a retarded idea.

    It represents a particularly high risk for insurers (who currently wouldn't be obliged to offer cover even if it were mandatory for owners to hold a policy), is relatively undefined as to the criteria, legislates for compensation after the fact rather than prevention, and does nothing to address the issue of people owning so-called "status dogs" which are often not well treated.

    Genius.

    I side with Cesar Millan on the issue of dangerous dogs - it's the people who breed and train (or more often fail to train) the animals that are the problem, not the breed.

    Cesar Millan had a very loyal, utterly docile pit bull that died recently, and has dealt with other "power" breeds really easily whereas little yappy dogs are often far more aggressive.

    It doesn't help that we (particularly the British) have selectively bred some dogs for specific traits and therefore emphasised certain behaviours - the British Rotweiller bloodstock is more geared towards power and aggression as they have been used as guard and attack dogs, whereas the (original) German bloodline is more geared towards strength and stability as they were originally used to herd cattle and pull carts.

    Our neighbours have got a Rotweiller (from the German bloodline) and she's the friendliest dog you could ever meet, but people fear the breed and will cross the road to avoid her. The same is true to some extent with breeds like the German Shepherd - my mum's got one that was rescued from abuse as a pup about 11 years ago and he's calm, friendly, and lovely but some people are afraid on sight because he's a big breed. Personally I prefer "proper" sized dogs - the smallest dog I'd ever entertain owning is probably a Springer or Cocker Spaniel, and don't get me started on "toy" breeds!

    Unfortunately people seem to have forgotten how to relate to and interact with animals, and regard them as either little furry people or status symbols.

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    I agree on the fouling issue - people who don't clean up after their dogs should be forced to do it using only their face until suh time as they learn to operate the functionally very simple dog poo bag.

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    The insurance idea is bullshit and political points-scoring. A couple of people are arguing with me on my Facebook page over a comment I made. One says some dogs attack people, so everyone should pay. Another says his kid's had to be 'rescued' from dogs. In both cases, I'm unsure as to how me paying £x00s per year would make the blindest bit of difference to that (especially given that I own a miniature schnauzer who's so the opposite of aggressive that he runs away from frogs).

    Should cats be insured too? After all, they can cause miscarriages. What about kids? I've been attacked by more kids/teens than dogs. But the former isn't viable, and law already exists for the latter—as it does with dog attacks. But, hey, there's an election coming up, so it's time to get Middle England all excited with bullshit policy.
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    I don't think the insurance thing is a bad idea, although it's totally unenforceable.

    I can't be arsed to explain the whole situation, but recently the missus & I were out walking the dog and two other dogs (off their leads) attacked our dog. 20 mins later the same dogs came running towards us and went straight for our dogs throat again.

    After the first attack, I'll freely admit, I reacted badly. The adrenalin of the attack had me ready to kill the attacking dogs, and completely f*ck up the other dog owner. However, after the second attack, I didn't lose my temper and simply asked for the guy's details. My thinking was that the other guy could pay the vet bills if our dog had suffered any injuries. But asking the guy for his details made him freak out. He must have thought we were going to call the police to have his dogs put down or, worse, I was going to come to his house and do it myself.

    There's no way that, in those kinds of situations, people are going to willingly hand over their details like they might after a car accident. They'll assume that giving their details will result in: their dogs will be put down, or they'll have to pay vet bills, or they'll be prosecuted for not being in control of their dogs, etc, etc.

    Plus, if some little old ladies poodle gets attacked by a chav's pit bull. Do you think the little old lady is going to get the dog insurance details from the chav?
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    agree that enforcing would be a hugely problematic.

    insurance of pets for possible victims might well be used as political point scoring but that doesnt negate the validity of the principle. if you have an animal that is capable of causing damage then you should be held to account - leashes and muzzles already exist, if an owner can't be bothered to use them it's negligence.

    most owners are lazy retards that don't know, or can't be bothered to learn, how to train or control an animal. they made the choice to have a pet why should they shirk the responibility if that pet - whether thru deliberate agressive training, no training at all or bad luck - causes another damage?
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    Mobobo your chemical profiling idea is genius!

    Cesar Millan is also a genius!

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    Plus, if some little old ladies poodle gets attacked by a chav's pit bull. Do you think the little old lady is going to get the dog insurance details from the chav?

    Up where my parents live a little old man's dog was attacked by a chav's pit bull… the old guy died a few minutes later from shock. Sad story.

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    Again, the issue is with the people and with behaviour (both human and animal) - neither of these issues are addressed by mandatory third party insurance.

    Does having mandatory third party insurance for every car on the road cut down on traffic accidents or bad driving?

    No. It just means you have recourse to financial recompense if someone fails in their duty of care when in charge of a car.

    The mandatory training and evaluation before being legally allowed to engage in that behaviour (driving) is the means of restricting (but not entirely stopping) the number of accidents - the same does not exist (and would be highly costly to implement) for animal ownership.

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    Mandatory licencing of 'risk' breeds.

    Mandatory public muzzling of 'risk' breeds.

    Heavy threat of destruction of dog for lack of either.
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    Do you have to register dogs here? Switzerland you have to and the dog needs to carry his number on his collar at all times, otherwise you get a fine. It's a bit of a dog tax as you have to renew it every year.

    Additionally every dog has to be put through basic training, which I think they should do here. The amount of dogs that don't listen to their owners when called is scary.
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    most owners are lazy retards that don't know, or can't be bothered to learn, how to train or control an animal.

    That's utter bullshit. Are you a politician? "Most teenagers would sooner take a knife to you than just walk past in the street".

    @gingergit: That's about as far as I'd go. We have legislation that deals with other stuff anyway relating to extremely unlikely/random attacks/issues relating to dogs.

    @milkboy: Dog licenses in the UK were abolished a long time ago. There's no mandatory training either. Vets tend to advocate 'socialisation' classes, but our one was a total fucking disaster, because the people running it were idiots. Even now our four-year-old dog's scared of almost every other dog in the world.
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    That's utter bullshit. Are you a politician? "Most teenagers would sooner take a knife to you than just walk past in the street".


    is it? an overgeneralization yes but bullshit? it's based on a long history of observation, the amount of people who buy dogs as pups coz there are cute and chuck em when they get bigger and demand attention, walking, vets bills, feeding regularly etc is pretty well measured and publicized by dog shelters. plus any walk down an undeveloped/high unemployment street in england will show a large proportion of dog owners who have gone for an "aggressive" breed as status symbol.

    from lazy fuckers who don't think thru the demands a dog place on the owner to chavs wanting to look tuff the amount of retard owners is a significantly visible proportion.
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    Well that's changed from "most owners are lazy retards" hasn't it.

    We're now at "an unquantified proportion of teenagers and puppy buyers". ;)
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    @mobobo: Yes, it is bullshit. You stated "most owners are lazy retards". Perhaps I've led a sheltered life, but the vast majority of dog owners I've come into contact with are, at worst, run-of-the-mill. They're not "lazy retards" and they care well enough for their dogs. I agree about status symbols, but you may as well call all car drivers arseholes, just because a minority of people buy flashy sportscars as penis replacements.
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    Heavy threat of destruction of dog for lack of either.

    That doesn't really work to solve anything, you've still got irresponsible owners and people breeding dogs to be dangerous.

    plus any walk down an undeveloped/high unemployment street in england will show a large proportion of dog owners who have gone for an "aggressive" breed as status symbol.

    That's the case in areas surrounding where I live… it's always two guys a woman and a pitbull, what's that all about?

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