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    It seems like everyone I'm speaking to recently is now feeling the effects of the "credit crunch." I've previously been of the mind that the "credit crunch" is just a media-friendly term being used as a scapegoat by people who've been stupid with their money, but it does seem like the effects are starting to trickle down to everyone, even those who are careful with their money.

    I've just received a letter from my bank telling me that the current level of services they offer me for free are being discontinued next month, unless I either pay an extra £25 a month in service charges, or unless I meet their criteria. To qualify for the criteria they want:
    - Savings and investments of £50,000 with the bank.
    - A mortgage of at least £250,000 with the bank, and an individual annual income of at least £75,000 paid into my bank account.

    So everything I've had for the past several years, including certain interest rates on banking products are all being cancelled in a month unless I agree to pay £25 a month, or find 50k to invest in the banks investment products, or take out a mortgage/re-mortgage for 250k and increase my annual income to 75k a year!

    What a bunch of complete cunts.
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    Change bank, Alliance & Leicester are doing a good deal at the mo'.

    Just signed up myself
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    I thought "credit crunch" was just a fluffy term for "impending recession", designed not to panic everyone too much and hurry it along.

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    On a side note, I've started to have personalised letters for credit cards come to my house. I have tipped that 3 years in the country, is that why I'm getting all the letters?

    I don't own a credit card either.
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    What gets me is that while growth forecasts are being slashed, they're still talking about growth, not recession, and yet the media seems hell-bent on forcing one through anyway.
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    Seems that way doesn't it. And so much about the economy boils down to confidence.

    Admittedly "the crunch" is yet to affect me in any material way, but even I'm starting to feel this vague sense of foreboding about what lies ahead. Not just credit-wise but in terms of international affairs, oil etc.

    A real shit time to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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    Admittedly "the crunch" is yet to affect me in any material way, but even I'm starting to feel this vague sense of foreboding about what lies ahead. Not just credit-wise but in terms of international affairs, oil etc.

    Same for me - I'm just of a mind not to buy anything big and make sure I am sticking a little away - not having a mortgage and no debt means I feel a bit more at ease.
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    I'm happy now 'cos we've still got a year to go on our fixed rate mortgage, but I'll be shitting it in 9 months when we start to think about moving the mortgage to get a better rate as my orther half is currently temping after being made redundant (although she's just been offered a permanent role that she's considering) and I've got an "adverse credit history"...

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    Our deal expires in October: currently getting 0.13% BELOW the BoE Base Rate. So there's no way we'll get close to that. We're probably looking at a hike of at least £100 per month for the best deals out there... Bastardin' Yanks and their Sub Prime mortgages (no offence, Natis)...
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    Anybody feeling the effects of the credit crunch yet?

    My father-in-law owns a big accountancy firm and he's saying it's the worst situation he's ever seen. Clients are coming to him in the hope that he can figure out a way for them to survive, but he's having to makes scores of them bankrupt. He says it's much worse than the last recession simply because this time around, people have higher levels of debt, and simply can't afford to ride out the bad times as they might have been able to in earlier years when they didn't have such high debts to service. He's telling me tales of burly builders breaking down in tears, and how he's having to tell people that they need to sack staff they've employed for 25 years, etc. Plus these people then can't afford to pay their accountancy fees, which effects his company.

    It's strange that for some people it seems to be going by unnoticed, but other people seem to be getting hit really hard.

    A friend we know that works for a massive international company, who have just posted massive profits. You would assume that meant jobs would be safe, but instead they've sacked everyone and moved all the jobs abroad in anticipation of the troubles still to come.
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    http://www.designateonline.com/discussions/comments.php?DiscussionID=2382&page=4

    End of that page.

    It was always obvious that this was going to happen, although on page 6 Alex_S with his Economics degree obviously didn't agree.

    The levels of debt that people and businesses have these days are mind boggling. If you don't have debt you can (hopefully) ride out the bad times, but it really becomes a lead weight when the ecomomy goes tits up.
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    It's strange that for some people it seems to be going by unnoticed, but other people seem to be getting hit really hard.


    Is that because it's more immediate for some industries and less for others. i.e we'll get our come uppance soon! :)
    I would like to think that there won't be a cutback on clients requiring new media/web/print, but as clients become more focused on other areas of their business, surely their budgets will be slashed.

    On a more personal note, we just changed our mortgage and finding we're paying an extra 120 quid a month. Joy!

    I've also heard mixed thoughts on the housing market too. A few of my friends who are looking to buy, particular first time buyers are finding it incredible that sellers are willing to drop their house price by £30-50,000.

    I think if you have a half decent deposit, you could probably get a decent bargain as long as you're willing to stay in the house and see out the housing market gloom.
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    Well that's why it's called the credit crunch, if you're someone that relies on credit, then you're likely fucked, if you don't things are likely a bit easier.

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    http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5878.html

    Useful for our sector.
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    Well that's why it's called the credit crunch, if you're someone that relies on credit, then you're likely fucked, if you don't things are likely a bit easier.


    But my thoughts were focused on the fact that you could get more for your money (i.e. a bargain on a house) regardless of the fact that financial crisis is hitting everyone not just people with an adverse credit history.

    Thanks for the link Sagalout. Some lunchtime reading... love the cheesy pic!
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    To be fair, I'm not feeling any effects at all, although I don't really have any debt. It's hard not to be a tad smug though when two or three years ago I was being mocked, probably on this forum too, for renting rather than buying ("dead money" and all that shit). I know a few people now who are seriously struggling to keep up with their mortgage repayments and are paying out most of their wage on the house and are left with fuck all money to do anything else. Another friend has been paying £800pm mortgage on an apartment in town for over 3 years (same ones rent out for £450)... it's been on the market for 18 months now and he's just lowered the price by 10k to try and get it sold, as he desperately wants to move. Even if he does sell it which is going to be difficult, there will still be 12k outstanding on the mortgage, which he'll need to fund himself.

    On the otherhand, I've been renting for the past few years for a significantly lower monthly fee than I would have paid on a mortgage on same place. I'm not contracted into anything and I'm secretly waiting for all your houses to get repossessed, so I can buy them and rent them out exclusively to DSS clientele.
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    first time buyers are finding it incredible that sellers are willing to drop their house price by £30-50,000.

    There was something in the paper the other day where they had a quote from an estate agent who said he was embarrassed by some of the offers he was getting. People were offering 50k for a 150k house, and he was obliged to pass the offers on to the sellers. It must be devastating to be offered 50k for your house when you've got a 150k mortgage that you can no longer afford to pay.

    I'm lucky in some ways that my current home is a long-term development project for me, so I'm not so interested in it's current market value - but I know that a massive mansion style house just down the road has been repossessed and had an offer on it of 20k less than I paid for mine, so I'm guessing that the value of my house is currently less than I paid for it. If I was in a more difficult financial situation, I could see how easy it would be to quickly find myself in a bad situation.
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    But my thoughts were focused on the fact that you could get more for your money (i.e. a bargain on a house) regardless of the fact that financial crisis is hitting everyone not just people with an adverse credit history.

    Yeah, sorry, my post was aimed mostly at Shunks, just a bit slow in my reply

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    I just sold my one bed flat (well accepted an offer and took off market) for 10k less than asking, but it was still 30k more than we paid for it. Have an offer on a place that needs some work done and will probably plough a lot of my savings into it to do it up, but we want to live there for ages (10 years + ideally) as its in a really nice area, in a lovely pedestrian street which is really quiet but just minutes from Putney high st.

    I am thinking fuck the hysteria, I want a home.
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    On the otherhand, I've been renting for the past few years for a significantly lower monthly fee than I would have paid on a mortgage on same place. I'm not contracted into anything and I'm secretly waiting for all your houses to get repossessed, so I can buy them and rent them out exclusively to DSS clientele.

    The problem is that this time around, the banks aren't as willing to lend money. It's all very well feeling smug that the prices have dropped, but if the bank wont lend you the money to buy at the reduced price, then it doesn't do you any good anyway.
 
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